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July 2004 - Laurel LoAR - Ealdormere Submissions

Acceptances

EALDORMERE

Ben Dunfirth, Barony of. Badge. (Fieldless) A tower Or, overall two arrows inverted in saltire gules.
Please advise the submitter to draw the arrows with bigger fletching.

Caitilín inghean Tomáis uí Dhuibihir. Name.
Listed on the LoI as Caitlin inghean Tomais ui Dhuibhir, the forms showed Caitlín inghean Tomáis uí Dhuibhir. The submitter requested authenticity for 16th C Irish near Tipperary. Caitlin is a modern form of this name and, by precedent, not registerable:

Caitilín ni Killane. Submitted as Caitlín ni Killian, there were some issues with this name. No documentation was provided and none was found that the form Caitlín was used in period, though evidence was found of it as a modern name. We have changed the given name to the documented Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c. 1200 to c. 1700) form Caitilín in order to register this name. [Trimaris-A, LoAR 09/2003]

Mari neyn Brien, "Index of Names in Irish Annals" lists several examples of Caitilín in the 16th C. The same article also shows Tomás. Finally, a search of CELT, Corpus of Electronic Text (http://www.ucc.ie/celt) lists Duibhir only as a modern form; this is consistent with the documentation provided by the submitter, which dated the name to the 18th C. CELT does show a name that is the likely Early Modern Gaelic form, Duibhihir, listed in the Annals of the Four Masters in the 1585 entry. To make the name registerable and to comply with her request for authenticity of we registered this form of her name Caitilín inghean Tomáis uí Dhuibihir.

Most of the submitted documentation was from Coughlin, Irish Christian Names:an a-z of First Names. This is not a reliable source for name documentation. It may be a reasonable place to start looking for a name, but it is not a reasonable place to stop researching the name.

Edmund Foxe. Name and device. Sable, an elephant argent maintaining atop its back a tower, a bordure embattled Or. Nice name!

Lachlan Maclean. Device. Azure, six daggers conjoined at the pommels points outwards proper, within an orle Or, on a chief Or, two dragons statant respectant azure.
There was a significant amount of discussion about the arrangement of the swords, and whether they were identifiable as such. They are, in fact, not identifiable. However, they are also identical to the swords on the previously returned submission, and their lack of identifiability was NOT given as a reason for return on that previous return (quoted here in full):

[Returning Azure, six daggers conjoined at the pommels points outwards proper within an orle Or] The device conflicts with Kilic ibn Sungur ibn al-Kazganci al-Turhani, Sable, a sheaf of five swords argent within an orle Or. There is one CD for changing the field. Normally, there would be a CD for changing the orientation of the swords, from points to chief to points outwards. However, the visual similarity between these two agglomerations of swords is too strong to give a second CD per RfS X.5. The fact that the hilts on Lachlan's armory are all in the center, and the ones in Kilic's armory are all in base, would give difference for sword posture if the emblazons were drawn correctly. However, in both of these emblazons, the sword hilts are visually insignificant. Thus, these two groups of swords appear to be groups of pointed sticks argent conjoined in the center (six and ten sticks, respectively). There is not enough visual difference between these two groups to consider the armory clear under X.5. [Aug 2003, Ret-Ealdormere, Lachlan MacLean]

So we cannot return this submission for that reason. We do, however, strongly suggest that the submitter draw the swords to be readily identifiable as such.

The orle is correctly placed with respect to the chief, as noted by al-Jamal quoting precedent:

This is the correct placement of an orle with a chief: the orle runs parallel to the edge of the chief, and is not surmounted by it. See the arms of the Worshipful Company of Musicians, used by them c.1590. (Bromley & Child, Armorial Bearings of the Guilds of London, p.180) [Aug 1992, Acc-Atenveldt, Guillaume de la Rapiere]

Rachell Gray. Name.
Submitted as Rachel Gray, the submitter requested authenticity for 15th-16th C. Every pre-17th C form of the given name that we were able to find ended with two Ls. Therfore, we have changed the name to Rachell Gray to fulfill her request for authenticity.

Samuel of Ealdormere. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name and badge). Per bend sinister gules and sable, two swords bendwise sinister the second inverted within a bordure Or.
Submitted under the name Samuel Tosh McTier.

Yoshikuri Nagayori. Name and device. Argent, three maple leaves in pall stems outward within a bordure sable.
Questions were raised in commentary about the identifiability of the leaves. The full-size emblazon shows the primary charges clearly as maple leaves, but the submitter should be advised to draw them taller so as to fill the space better.

Returns

EALDORMERE

Kolbjorn Skattkaupandi. Device. Argent, a pithon erect contourny wings addorsed within a bordure purpure.
The odd positioning of the pithon's back wing renders the charge unidentifiable. This must be returned for a redraw: the wings must be drawn such that they do not interfere with the identifiability of the pithon's body.

Samuel Tosh McTier. Name and badge. Per bend sinister gules and sable, an annulet Or.
This name consists of either two given names and a marked patronymic; or of a given name, an unmarked patronymic and a marked patronymic. No documentation was submitted and none found for either practice in period Scotland. We would drop the name Tosh, making the name just a given name and a marked patronymic, but the submitter will not accept major changes.

The badge conflicts with Vladimir Vitalievich Volkov: Per pale argent ermined purpure and purpure, an annulet Or. It also conflicts with Alexander le Browere: Per pale sable and vert, a serpent involved in annulo Or. In each case there is one CD for changing the field, but nothing for the difference between a serpent involved and an annulet:

[Returning Per pale sable and vert, a serpent involved in annulo Or] The device conflicts with Vladimir Vitalieich Volkov, Per pale argent ermined purpure and purpure an annulet Or. There is one CD for the field but nothing for involved serpent vs. annulet. [Jul 1999, Ret-Atenveldt, Alexander le Browere]

(To reduce confusion we note that Alexander's device was originally returned in July 1999, but later registered in July 2001 with a letter of permission to conflict from Vladimir.)

His armory is registered under the holding name Samuel of Ealdormere.



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